Hearings within Cttee of inquiry into 2009 elections: Udrea: Deep state, created in 2009

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* Oprea was collaborating with Maior and Coldea, being in conflict with Geoana and Vanghelie * Plan concerning Romania, implemented with SRI leadership’s CIA partners

 

The committee of inquiry into the 2009 elections met on Thursday to hear Elena Udrea, Daniel Dragomir, Doru Paraschiv and Marian Hapau. Former SRI officer Daniel Dragomir was heard the committee on Monday too.

 

Court of Appeals judges, contacted by Voicu to block validation of elections

 

PSD wanted to block the validation of the presidential elections of 2009, with the help of Court of Appeals judges who were contacted by Catalin Voicu, something that was known at the time because Voicu was “being monitored,” Elena Udrea stated before the committee of inquiry on Thursday.

“In 2009, before the election, it was known that Mr Catalin Voicu had a very good relationship with certain judges. His relationship with and influence over some judges was known. In this context, there was pressure in 2009. Catalin Voicu was the party member with the best connections in the judicial system, with certain judges. Given the very small margin by which Traian Basescu had been declared the winner, I believe those who had formed the crisis cell at PSD tried to win the elections by triggering an election recount, which is normal for a political party,” Udrea said before the committee of inquiry into the 2009 elections.

“Consequently, [PSD] started this action with which it sought an election recount, and then it was discovered that they were planning to obtain the blocking of the validation of the elections – until the CCR [Constitutional Court of Romania] would have ordered and carried out the recount – with the help of some judges from the Court of Appeals, which were contacted by Catalin Voicu. This was known, Voicu was being monitored,” Udrea added.

Former SRI colonel Daniel Dragomir stated on Monday, before the committee of inquiry into the 2009 elections, that the purpose of the meeting that took place at Gabriel Oprea’s home on the evening of the presidential runoff was to prevent the recount of votes cast by Romanians living abroad.

“The reason was the setting up of a so-called crisis cell for the prevention of the recount of votes from the Diaspora. Those persons met at Mr Oprea’s to identify concrete solutions for the blocking of an initiative coming from some PSD member, which could have led to the recount of the votes from the Diaspora,” Daniel Dragomir stated before the committee of inquiry.

The former SRI officer also said that each person who took part in that meeting had a well-established role.

 

Directors of intelligence services are very rich; Coldea was “wearing Vuitton”

 

The directors of intelligence services are very rich people who served their own interests, and in Romania the battle was over money too, Elena Udrea stated on Thursday before the committee of inquiry into the 2009 elections, pointing out in this context that Florian Coldea was “wearing Vuitton.”

Asked to substantiate her statement that Maior, Kovesi and Coldea allegedly served foreign interests too, Udrea said: “I believe they served their own interests. They used this story to serve their interests because here in Romania the battle was over money too.”

“These service directors are very rich people. If we look at their wealth and where they live, where Mr Coldea spends his holidays and what he wears… You know I once said he was wearing Vuitton – as a woman, I notice [this],” Udrea added.

She pointed out she is talking about people who have a lot of money, who got involved in business and who decided – through the levers they have in the judicial system – what businessman is arrested, what company closes, what company replaces it.

“And we notice that Romanian businessmen are being arrested and they are being replaced by foreign businessmen, something that suits them very well, I believe. They have their own companies,” Udrea added.

 

“Plan concerning Romania, implemented with SRI leadership’s CIA partners”

 

Appearing before the committee of inquiry into the 2009 elections on Thursday, Elena Udrea presented a theory on the existence of a “plan” elaborated abroad, which concerns Romania, a plan that was implemented with the help of the SRI leadership’s CIA partners and of the connections Coldea and Maior had in the U.S.

“In what concerns my theory, as to which I believe is the source of these things, I’m the follower of the theory according to which two forces are currently fighting in the world: Soros and the ones around him and those who oppose him, and these are fairly few. I didn’t believe [it] and up until recently I was one of those saying: no way, only our domestic deep state that Coldea built exists in Romania. Nevertheless, I had an exaggeratedly good opinion about him; not that he wouldn’t have been a man who would have succeeded implementing a complex and even diabolical plan, but it wasn’t his creation,” Udrea said.

“I believe [the plan] has to do with what we see is now happening in America, and it’s a plan that, in what concerns us, was influenced by and implemented with the help of the SRI leadership’s partners from the CIA, of the connections that Mr Coldea and Mr Maior had in the United States. It was a plan that worked in Romania, an attempt was made to impose it in other countries too. It worked elsewhere too, but it is of great success, at least in our case, probably considering our cultural and behavioural model,” Udrea added.

The creation of the deep state started in 2009, the plan being elaborated abroad, Elena Udrea told the committee of inquiry, pointing out that Florian Coldea was the one who led the deep state in Romania.

“A long time I thought it [the deep state] was the creation of a single man, of General Coldea. Today I realise that a plan elaborated abroad is being implemented. They were very good enforcers, the plan was successful. In Romania, Coldea was the one who led the deep state. Who has taken over the reins now, that I cannot say,” Udrea added.

 

“In 2009, Oprea was collaborating with Maior and Coldea, being in conflict with Geoana and Vanghelie”

 

In 2009, Gabriel Oprea was “totally” on the side of PDL and Traian Basescu, and was collaborating with George Maior and Florian Coldea, having a conflict with Mircea Geoana and Marian Vanghelie, Elena Udrea told the committee of inquiry into the 2009 elections.

Udrea pointed out that Gabriel Oprea was appointed Interior Minister back then, spending one month in office and leaving office because of the pressure that the “Vanghelie faction” exerted for him to make a certain appointment in office within “Unit 0215.”

“Oprea took advantage of Geoana’s absence from the country and appointed General Ardelean. Then Nica became acting [Interior Minister], then Dragnea. The same pressure to appoint within “Unit 0215” a person that was close to Vanghelie was put on Dragnea too. Dragnea left for the same reason too,” Udrea pointed out.

“Oprea remained in conflict with the PSD leadership and, in agreement with Maior, with Coldea, they planned the setting up of UNPR, which would back the deep state’s interest. Back then the interest was for it to back the ruling power, even without PSD. This is why Oprea was totally on our side, on the side of PDL and Basescu, on the evening of the elections. He was in conflict with PSD, with Geoana, especially with Vanghelie, and he was collaborating with Maior, with Coldea, he was on their side,” Udrea emphasised.

She said that during the elections she did not feel the influence of the services, of the “Maior-Coldea group” at the time.

 

Deep state, created in 2009. Coldea led the deep state in Romania

 

The creation of the deep state started in 2009, the plan being elaborated abroad, Elena Udrea told the committee of inquiry on Thursday, pointing out that Florian Coldea was the one who led the deep state in Romania.

“2009 was the start of the creation of the deep state. The apex was in 2014-2015, then its power waned. The deep state is working today too, it has significant influence in the judiciary, within the leadership of state institutions, it keeps under control the political class, Parliament, the political parties, via the leaders,” Udrea said.

“A long time I thought it [the deep state] was the creation of a single man, of General Coldea. Today I realise that a plan elaborated abroad is being implemented. They were very good enforcers, the plan was successful. In Romania, Coldea was the one who led the deep state. Who has taken over the reins now, that I cannot say,” Udrea added.

She said the judicial system is the instrument with which “they keep everything under control.”

“They were controlling the judiciary in 2009 too, through Ms Kovesi’s presence at the helm of the Prosecutor General’s Office, through the good collaboration with ICCJ [Supreme Court of Justice] President Livia Stanciu, via other judges, prosecutors,” Udrea said.

 

Hapau: It’s out of the question for MApN or DGIA to perform illegal interceptions

 

Marian Hapau, who was the head of the Military Counterintelligence Department in 2009, stated on Thursday, before the Committee investigating the 2009 elections, that the Ministry of National Defense (MApN) and the Intelligence General Department of the Army (DGIA) don’t have technical means to perform interceptions, appreciating that it’s out of the question for these institutions to perform illegal interceptions.

“Neither MApN or DGIA have the necessary technical means to intercept people. There is no possibility for MApN to perform illegal interceptions” Hapau stated, when asked by the Inquiry Committee to answer to the accusations of the former counterintelligence officer of DGIA Doru Paraschiv.

Hapau said that Paraschiv leads the professional relationship into the “personal” area and accused him for saying things that he cannot prove and for which he doesn’t have the necessary evidence.

Hapau also said that he didn’t know anything about any initiative committee inside MApN related to Băsescu’s election and he declared himself convinced that such a committee didn’t exist.

“DGIA doesn’t have any task related to elections. In 25 years, since I am working in this Department, I had no information regarding any electoral campaign, and we couldn’t have any involvement in how the voting goes” Hapau said.

 

Doru Paraschiv: Many people have been intercepted without any warrant

 

Former counterintelligence DGIA officer Doru Paraschiv stated on Thursday before the Committee investigating the 2009 elections that many people have been intercepted without any warrant, saying that these technical actions left “traces” that can be demonstrated.

“Another illegal and very serious issue was one of the missions that General Hăpău Marian had, being the head of the Counterintelligence Department at that time. Within our own counterintelligence structure, we also had that specific division of labour for interceptions. I will tell you only about the technical interceptions: before the 1st round, so it was a lot of work before the 1st round, it continued between rounds, but most of it was conducted before the 1st round” Paraschiv stated.

“Between the 1st and the 2nd round, the work didn’t have to be so intense because they knew what was about. Many people have been intercepted without any warrant. You have to imagine that even when you have a warrant, there is somebody who carries out the technical interception, in technical terms. You have to imagine that everything you do with a warrant, as a worker in this specific activity, you can do without any warrant. There are traces, a professional can easily demonstrate it, technique leaves traces” Paraschiv added.

Paraschiv said that former PSD candidate for the presidency Mircea Geoana wasn’t “the core of interception”.

“As a percentage, there were more people intercepted from their group, they were so distrustful in them that the interception was mainly conducted on their people, they didn’t know where they open gates or doors, if you know what I mean” Paraschiv stated.

He said he “annoyed” General Marian Hapau when he told him they breach the National Security Law by these interceptions without warrant, and the latter “foully removed him”, “successively moving him from one pace to another until he was foully executed”.

Former SRI employee Daniel Dragomir stated on Monday that the presence of the former Minister of Defense Gabriel Oprea at the “semi-official” meetings held in the SRI premises was notorious, and that magistrates and politicians attended these meetings.

“There were many of such meetings. It was obvious and notorious, it wasn’t just me, there were dozens of officers on duty who knew about these people and about other people who attended these meetings” Dragomir said, asked about the meetings held at the SRI premises, at his hearing made by the Parliamentary Inquiry Committee on the 2009 Presidential Elections.

He mentioned that these meetings were “semi-official”, and they were also attended by members of the Prosecution Office, of the courts, of other intelligence services, as well as politicians, occasionally.

“The semi-official meetings are the meetings who they consider of this kind, in premises of the intelligence service, therefore in an official place, but I don’t know if things that were discussed there observed the Constitution all the time, because things out of the constitutional provisions have been discussed there” Dragomir stated, defining the “semi-official meetings”.

Asked if Ponta or Oprea attended these meetings, Dragomir said: “The presence of the Minister of Defense Oprea was notorious”.

He said he never heard that Dragnea also attended such meetings. “I can’t tell you anything about Mr. Dragnea, since I don’t know anything. I never attended a meeting where Mr. Dragnea was present. I never heard that Mr. Dragnea was present in such a meeting” Dragomir said.

“Given the public statements of certain people who were invited to the SRI Committee, we analyzed and unanimously voted to invite at the hearings, next week, to the Inquiry Committee for the 2009 Elections, Mrs. Udrea, Officer Paraschiv, following the statements made at Cotidianul, (…), and Mr. Marian Hapau, (…) who was, at that time, the head of the Intelligence Department of the Army” stated last week the Chairman of the Inquiry Committee for the 2009 Presidential Elections, PSD MP Oana Florea.